Pascal Bobbe

'Being able to walk somewhere without thinking about it.' That is what struck Pascal Bobbe most when he returned home to The Hague after serving in Bosnia and Afghanistan, among other places. 'You are constantly vigilant on a mission, because you know that people do not have your best interests at heart.'

We speak to Pascal at the monument of Pascal Lodewijk Thomson (11 June 1869 – 15 June 1914) on Thomsonplein. Thomson was a Dutch military commander and politician. He is best known as the first Dutch soldier to die on a peace mission.

Mission in Afghanistan

Pascal's last mission was sixteen years ago. For example, he saw in Afghanistan how the freedom we are used to in the Netherlands can be very different. Where someone else tells you what you can or cannot do. Especially if you are born a woman there, you have few to no rights. Pascal says: 'It is a disaster what is happening there. You cannot imagine how women live there. For example: always accompanied if you want to go somewhere and no right to education.'

'I wish it were natural everywhere in the world to be able to speak out.'

Pascal Bobbe

Agree to disagree

For Pascal, freedom is: 'That I can do and leave what I want, without it having serious consequences.' 'Here in the Netherlands, it is so obvious that you can speak out. For example, you are not allowed to think anything of the NATO summit being organised here. Nothing will happen to you. You are allowed to think that. “Agree to disagree”, that is freedom. As a soldier, you do your best to defend the right to that freedom.'

Veteran in the classroom

Pascal now enjoys working at the Veterans Institute, including on the educational program 'Veteran in the classroom'. A third of all schools in the Netherlands have had a veteran in their classroom. Veterans like Pascal tell their personal stories and talk to the students. They make the students aware of the fact that there are still people who defend the freedom of others. Pascal says: 'The stories from practice and the decisions that soldiers have to make on the spot suddenly make it real. And in the conversation we have with them, the translation is made to choices in the daily lives of young people.' He continues: 'For example, we ask the question: what would you do if you saw someone being bullied? How do you deal with that? We make the students aware that they live in a society with others.' A lesson package has also been created for the NATO summit. 'In this way, we as veterans still contribute our bit. Only now as citizens,' he says laughing.
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